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I feel like I should put a proviso on this. Apparently there's a whole board game culture out there which I don't know about, people who mostly play with other gamers who play with designers and publishers and other gamers and talk to each other about what's coming out and buy new games because they're new and exciting and play from each other's collections and thus know what's new and what's hot and so on.

I am not part of that culture, because before last year I didn't know about it! And now I don't really have time to get into new friendships or new things (see also yesterday where you all found places I can dance if only I had more time, thank you!) I get new games by presents or occasionally recommendations or TableTop - which I didn't manage to find the time to watch all of season 3 yet - but they're new to me, not new to the world, most of the time. So if you already know about all these, sorry! Also, we don't get a lot of new games through the year, but mostly at birthdays and Christmas, partly because if we don't make sure there's room on the shelf we lost pieces and end up needing replacements. And maybe we just need an extra games shelf, but there's room for one or two on there atm, we'll see.

That having been said, this is what I wrote on the subject of what tabletop games I like last year and this is where I talked about last year's Christmas present games.


The big game of the year - the one all over the bits of the internet I read (and not just among people who now [livejournal.com profile] alextfish) is Steam Works. I've only played it a couple of times - we acquired it as a birthday present for Colin - but it's easy to get the hang of and really, really well balanced. Each player plays the part of an inventor, who has special abilities and characteristics which help them to build machines. The machines can be accessed by everyone, and they help to build more and more complex machines. At the end of the game, the winner is the person with the most point cards in their machines or given out from machines.
We haven't yet played it with Judith, but I think that she will enjoy it, so I'm going to go ahead and call this a family game.

Tokaido is a travel game with an interesting mechanic. You play a traveler crossing Japan, and along the way meet interesting people and monkeys, eat delicious dinners, buy stuff and paint pictures. It's got an interesting mechanic in that the person who is at the back goes next, and each character is slightly different and has different strengths so you're probably not exactly trying for the same things as your opponents. It's pretty, it's different and it's fun, and we like it a lot. Again, at the moment we play adults only, but it just hasn't grabbed Judith's attention and another child in her age/game playing range would probably love it.

7 wonders. This is a game where each player has to build one of the seven wonders of the world. It's decided in advance which one, by means of a card which tells you your special characteristics. The interesting mechanic in this one is that you take a hand of cards, play one, then pass the hand on, so each time you know what you're passing to another player, and can't really plan ahead. This makes it really well balanced between small children - and Judith has been playing it since Christmas, when she was just 6 - and strong adult logical thinkers. It's another fun family game.

Tsuro of the Seas. A tile laying game, which we all play. You place a tile, sail your ship, and the last ship in the game is the winner. For further levels of complexity, you can add random sea monsters, which have the benefit of levelling the playing field somewhat and it's hilarious when a sea monster eats daddy. All of us play it, including Andreas, and it's quite fun and, although I tend to prefer games without eliminiation, it tends to all end quite quickly rather than have the first players eliminated sitting around waiting.

Lastly in this category, The Hobbit. We've played the cooperative Lord of the Rings game lots and I mentioned it last year, but this year we got the Hobbit game from the same designer. Well, this is completely different. It's a competitive game in which the person with the most treasure after defeating Smaug wins. And it's lots of fun, playing cards to move along a track and get bonuses which help to win treasure. Simple to play, fits with the theme, big thumbs up here.



Lemminge. It's a racing game, in which you get to change the terrain on the way round. I don't know why my children love racing games so, I just know that I did when I was wee too. And they do love them, so this is perfect for playing with the children. It's also more interesting than Formula 1 or the lego racing game or any of those, with the ability to change terrain and having to choose carefully when and what to change. So I know adults who do play by themselves, but having two enthusiastic littles who will want to play it, I'm more likely to choose something they won't play when we're by ourselves.

Princess. The princess has been put under a sleeping curse, and you as a group have to make it around the track to save her before night fall. Basically, it's a story telling game, which is all about using what you've got in plausible ways to save the princess, and it's very popular here. It's also a great way to introduce role playing and story telling, so while the game play sn't my thing I'm happy to play it with the children. Oh, and it's cooperative.

Winter. I kind of love this game. It's another cooperative, you have to get everyone in the gfamily to a set of places and back home before they're snowed or iced in elsewhere. It's a lot of fun, placing snow storms such that you can sweep them away with your snow plough, and driving around and I just like the artwork.

Actually, I've never met a Myriad game I didn't like, they're well tested and fun to play. I haven't tried the one with the lit candle yet, though.

As for the children, they are all about word games at the moment. Their favourite is Scrabble Junior, but Zingos Sight Words, a reading bingo game, is also a big hit. I assume I don't have to talk about them more than that, but if I'm wrong, say and I will. A game Judith got for her birthday and they're enthusiastic about, Don't Panic I'm not sure how long they'll enthuse about, but it's one where you have to name things in a category (name 3 sticky things, name 5 evergreen trees) and progress around the track. We've played it once so far and I'm reserving judgment, but they are enthusiastic so I thought it worth mentioning. Also, Munchkin Junior and Disney Apples to Apples still popular with everyone.


The one category of games I'd like more of, both in terms of play and in terms of actual games in our house, is micro games. I mostly carry a silly beggar my neighbour game and Aquarius in my handbag for spare moments, but it would be nice to have something a bit more interesting that doesn't take a lot of space, and to be able to switch them up. We've played a reasonable amount of Letters to Santa, the Christmas version of Love Letters, and that's exactly the sort of thing I'm looking for. It's fun, quick, and can be played anywhere, on a train, in a car, at a restaurant table between courses, in the foyer while we wait for Judith to finish drama, anywhere. Judith's had her eye on Coup for a while in this category, and I think I'd like that too, and I've a couple of other ideas, but if you have any recs I'd love to hear them, and also if you're looking for present ideas, that's a good place to aim :)

Date: 2015-12-02 09:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] woodpijn.livejournal.com
Yay, really interesting and useful.

The big game of the year - the one all over the bits of the internet I read (and not just among people who now alextfish) is Steam Works.
I'm delighted by this :)

What do you do with Andreas while playing grown-up games with Judith? We're in a similar situation in that there are games Bethany could understand and Zoe couldn't, and it just means we very rarely get to play them with her.

Don't Panic sounds similar to Word on the Street, which Bethany likes.

Date: 2015-12-02 03:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ghoti.livejournal.com
Normally we grab time when he's distracted with TV or playing elsewhere. Sometimes he's asleep.

Date: 2015-12-02 09:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bopeepsheep.livejournal.com
Dobble. The tin is handbag-sized, and you can play it on e.g. half a train table. It can get a bit elbowy so I probably wouldn't play it on a train with strangers, but family, sure. :)
There are quite a few variants of Love Letter; we've got two so far and I wouldn't rule out acquiring more.
Fluxx?

Have you come across Takenoko? I think it's the cutest game I've played for a while, and IME it can be family or adults-only. There's now an extension, which I want for Christmas... Simple enough for smaller kids, random enough for anyone to win, but strategic enough to keep "proper gamers" occupied.

Date: 2015-12-02 03:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ghoti.livejournal.com
Ah yes, Dobble and Fluxx we have, including Family FLuxx which is nice. Takenoko I'll get to eventually, but still haven't.

Date: 2015-12-02 11:16 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] liv
What we used to play when travelling, apart from traditional deck card games which are mostly fairly portable, was Pass the Pigs. You have to throw two pigs (about the size of large dice) and score points according to how they land It needs some kind of surface, but a flip table on a train or a tiny corner of a restaurant table is plenty. It's a lot less interesting than Love Letters, but more interesting than beggar my neighbour, and the fun is mostly in the silliness. You can play it just to play and see what you get when you throw the pigs, or there's official rules with a bit more of a structure, scoring system, endpoint etc. It's never going to be very strategic, though!

Date: 2015-12-02 04:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ghoti.livejournal.com
I didn't like Pass the Pigs as a child, and don't remember why, so if you have it I'll give it a go, but otherwise, I'm disinclined to seek it out.

Date: 2015-12-02 04:27 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] liv
That makes sense. I think it isn't very well designed as a game, and the humour of the instructions is really annoying, sort of knowing in that marketers trying to be funny way. I remember liking it just because it's silly throwing toy pigs around and observing how they land. So I imagined it working as a time-filler when kids have lost the focus needed for something like I-spy.

Also I have a moderate repertoire of "car" games, which is to say ones that need zero equipment at all. (I dislike the kind that actually require cars and involve getting points for spotting things as you drive past.) Lots of the ones we used to play most require spelling fluency, but some could work. It's likely the advantage of the sort of micro-games you're talking about is that it feels more like playing a game if you get some cards or other toys out of your handbag. I'll keep thinking of and looking for more of those.

I bet there are more games out there like Olo that you can pass hand to hand on a phone or tablet. (As opposed to games where you're mainly interacting with the computer itself, which are not relevant for this situation.)

Date: 2015-12-02 04:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ghoti.livejournal.com
Those sort of car games do sound good. We mostly have ispy and animal/mineral/vegetable at the moment. My sister and I amused everyone by playing 'I'm going on a journey and I'm taking...' recently, but it didn't grab the children's attention except in as much as they were amused at us being silly.

Date: 2015-12-02 05:01 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] liv
Yeah, I was thinking partly of the games where you have to remember an increasing list of things. There's a variant which my poet brother made up where we basically invented extra verses to Aiken Drum, listing all the silly things that Aiken Drum's clothes were made of and the silly equipment he used for the wrong tasks. It doesn't matter too much if the players aren't confident in making the new verses scan properly.

You can also do gentle, non-competitive charades played by much the same rules as I-spy, except that you mime the thing you're thinking of instead of being able to see it. And there's pencil-and-paper games in the family of Boxes, which I know Judith enjoys sometimes.

Date: 2015-12-02 05:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ghoti.livejournal.com
Ooh, I've always wanted to know Aiken Drum, which is mentioned in one of the Gemma books (Gemma and Sisters maybe?) but I've never heard.

Date: 2015-12-02 05:18 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] liv
The official version goes
There was a man lived in the moon, lived in the moon, lived in the moon
There was a man lived in the moon
And his name was Aiken Drum
And he played upon a ladle, a ladle, a ladle
And he played upon a ladle
And his name was Aiken Drum
Unfortunately I learned all my childhood rhymes from other people who can't sing, so I can't tell you the tune. We used to more or less chant it. This version sounds plausible, and the words quoted there sound vaguely familiar, although we used to spend most of the time singing that his clothes were made of whatever sounded funny at the time.

Date: 2015-12-02 05:32 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] liv
Also, erm, at some point when S was a bit younger than Andreas, he got confused between Aiken Drum and the Skye Boat Song with which it has basically nothing in common, so some of the time we played the game with
Sleep piggy sleep, under the tree, under the sky
Charlie is dead, alas!

Why did Charlie die?
Because he had stupid armour

His sword was made of spaghetti
Spaghetti, spaghetti
His sword was made of spaghetti
Lala lala lala

Date: 2015-12-02 05:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ghoti.livejournal.com
:) that's delightful! I don't really know the Skye Boat Song either.

Date: 2015-12-02 06:35 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] liv
You might know it as Speed bonny boat? It's properly about Bonnie Prince Charlie fleeing to Skye. It's one of those dreadful Victorian romantic nationalism things. Charlie doesn't actually die in it, he merely gets defeated and sent into exile, but it has enough mentions of death to be confusing to a three-year-old.

Date: 2015-12-03 08:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ghoti.livejournal.com
Oh, is it boat? I always thought it was bird. I'm vaguely familiar with it but didn't ever learn it properly. In retrospect, boat makes more sense.

Date: 2015-12-04 08:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bopeepsheep.livejournal.com
That is nowhere near the tune I learned at school! We learned it from a book that I may currently own, so I'm hoping that in a moment I can go and find it. Sadly no one on YouTube seems to be singing that tune, and some of them can't even pronounce "Aiken" correctly...

Date: 2015-12-03 08:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bopeepsheep.livejournal.com
In similar vein, there's the version of Old MacDonald that we used to use as a drama warm-up...

Everyone sings, then when it comes to what he had on his farm, the person whose turn it is to nominate can say *anything* except an actual animal/bird. Then you try to quickly think of and make the noise of that thing without breaking the rhythm of the song if possible. (Obviously for children you can let them take a bit longer to think, and by the time you've sung a few verses laughter tends to slow you down anyway.) Once you've sung "Old MacDonald had a bookcase", "Old MacDonald had a Ferrari", and "Old MacDonald had terrible existential angst" going back to pigs and cows seems very dull. ;-)

Date: 2015-12-03 11:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ceb.livejournal.com
Fantastic! In a similar vein (and back to games) I highly recommend Subjective Guess Who. It's played with a normal Guess Who set except that you're only allowed to ask questions where you can't tell the answer from the information provided. So 'do they have brown hair?' is out and instead you have to ask things like 'do they own a cat?' 'are they a Guardian reader?' 'are they the local Conservative candidate?' 'do they like snooker?'. It's unsurprisingly hard to guess the correct person.

Date: 2015-12-04 07:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bopeepsheep.livejournal.com
OMG that could cause crippling hilarity and/or all-out huffiness. I'm acquiring a set ASAP. :D

(Son has one, it's just not in our house.)

Date: 2015-12-07 07:52 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] juliet
On the way to Glastonbury (by bike) a couple of years ago, we sang "Michael Eavis Had A Farm" to (try to) entertain a very small L. Things Mr Eavis had on his farm included hippies, the Pyramid stage, guitars, long drops [toilets] & so forth. It entertained D & me, at least :)

Date: 2015-12-02 05:22 pm (UTC)
liv: cartoon of me with long plait, teapot and purple outfit (geekette)
From: [personal profile] liv
Oh, I know what might work as a micro-game, what do you think of Set? It's the kind of game that children are often better at than adults once they grasp the rules. And it needs some amount of surface to lay the cards out, so it's not as micro as some, but the whole point is to play fast rather than trying to think and it works well for a few rounds while you're waiting ten minutes.

Date: 2015-12-02 05:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ghoti.livejournal.com
I love Set, which we have somewhere, but it definitely takes up more space than I was thinking, and the box isn't very secure so ime it falls out in your handbag. But I just realised I should put games like that in ziploc bags and then it's not a problem.

Date: 2015-12-02 01:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] angoel.livejournal.com
I'm glad that Lemminge is being enjoyed :-)

Date: 2015-12-02 04:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ghoti.livejournal.com
Thank you for writing a thing the children can play :) Although I think she's almost ready for Keyflower, so thank you for that too.

Date: 2015-12-02 04:12 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] emperor
My brother and I played "Calpyso" a lot as a travel game ( https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgameversion/124710/shoptaugh-games-travel-edition-1987 ); you may still be able to get a copy. We have one, but I'm not sure I want to permanently part with it :)

Date: 2015-12-02 04:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ghoti.livejournal.com
That looks like exactly the sort of game that Judith loves and I'm rubbish at, thus perfect for the purpose, thanks :)

Date: 2015-12-02 04:36 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] liv
I really like this post, even though you've talked about games quite a lot in person it's lovely to read descriptions all in one place :-) I've played Lemminge once at [livejournal.com profile] alextfish's board game night and enjoyed it a lot, it's simple but certainly interesting enough for this adult. And I'm still super excited by Judith getting into Scrabble!

Date: 2015-12-02 04:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ghoti.livejournal.com
:) I think I mostly mean racing games aren't really my thing, for a game that's not my thing it's interesting, but it definitely appeals to the children so that's how I mostly expect to play it.

Date: 2015-12-04 03:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ceb.livejournal.com
Thank you for answering! This is all really interesting.

I must get a copy of Steam Works at some point...

Date: 2015-12-04 05:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ghoti.livejournal.com
:) yes! Although last I heard both Inner Sanctum and Heffers had sold out, they may well have restocked.

Date: 2015-12-05 10:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badriya.livejournal.com
To teach adults English and children to read, my kids and grandson, I made pelmanism with file cards. Just opposite words, up/down, big/small,in/out/high/low or any you like, more or fewer, begin with a few and get more etc. You have probably played with playing cards? You put them face down and have to turn up a pair. You keep those and get another go.If no pair turn them back face down. It's memory and if you say the words for those learning to read they learn them. Or you can do lower and upper case same words. Both kdids and adults are very competitive and it's not like learning as they want to get the most pairs. It's spatial memory too.

Date: 2015-12-05 10:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badriya.livejournal.com
You could do a word and picture match too for very young ones.

Date: 2015-12-06 10:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ghoti.livejournal.com
ooh, yes, both of those are the type of game that has gone down well with other children I've known, so I imagine mine would like them too.

Date: 2015-12-07 09:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badriya.livejournal.com
Judith could help make them.You get nice coloured file cards the right size.

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