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Colin recently decribed William Horwood as an author of 'teenage fiction'. I could not, at first, understand this as a description, but as I thought, I began to come up with a theory. Richard Adams said that he wandted to write 'a proper grown-up novel for children'; this is Watership Down. Perhaps William Horwood has succeseded in writing children's stories for adults.

I think particularly of the Duncton trilogies, very similar in feel to the Mrs Frisby books, yet utterly mature, and obviously aimed at a mature audience; the Wolves of Time also feels similar.

Obviously, not all his books fit this description; Stonor Eagles, while a fabulous book, is a grown-up novel through and through. but for some, maybe.

What do you think?

Date: 2007-02-09 05:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] atreic.livejournal.com
I have never thought of the Duncton books as being at all similar to the Mrs Frisby books (I'm assuming you mean the NIMH books?) Yet they have both been my favourite books since I was about 10 - so there must be some similarity that I am missing!

Maybe you could see the Duncton books as "teenage" or "childrens" books because they don't become horribly self aware and embarressed when objectively they ought to. Anyone trying to be clever or mature would find it impossible to write fables of talking moles and good and evil and god.

Date: 2007-02-10 01:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ghoti.livejournal.com
I think it's possible to achieve maturity without trying for it; and thus to write adult books in that way, not as an 'oh, I'm so clever', but as an outpost of fairy tales. I did ead the Duncton books as a teenager, but I thought of them as adult books; I suppose I'm not quite sure where teenage fiction really fits, but I've always thought of it as a rather self-conscious extension of chil;dren's books, rather than the fist tendrils of adult ones.

I don't know why I think of Mrs Frisby (yes, that Mrs Frisby), exzcept that to me they feel similar.

In a way, I suppose I often think of fantasy books as fairy tales; but that's another issue.

Date: 2007-02-09 06:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seraphimsigrist.livejournal.com
I read some of the mole books
and I think he did a continuation of wind in the
willows which I did not like. Maria Kamenkovich
Tolkien translator corresponded with him on the
spiritual background of the mole books and discovered
he is some sort of Buddhist...
but that is to the side... nothing against buddhism
really but dont care much for the horwood books I
have read.
Now Alan Garner's books would be an example of a man
who wrote wonderful books for children which adults
can enjoy "moon of gomrath" is my favorite...
but then he got ambitious (sort of like jim cary trying to
do serious parts?) and from red shift on his writing seems
to me to be not for children and to be trash...
have wandered off point, but perhaps even a tangential resposne
can have some interest.
+S

Date: 2007-02-10 02:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ghoti.livejournal.com
The Wind in the Willows book that I read seemed to have the right tone, but the wrong storyline; after all, the original book had a Christmas in, but then Horwood wrote about how the animals didn't celebrate Christmas. It just didn't ring true for me, and I didn't bother to finish the book.

That's an interesting point about Alan Garner - I've only read the Weirdstone of Brisingamen, which always frightened me as a child, but I loved it anyway. Like Robert O'Brien's, 'the Silver Crown', which scared me so much I gave it away, and spent the next fifteen years wanting it back (until I eventually did get another copy).

Perhaps everything harks back to Robert O'Brien for me, maybe that's who I should be reading :) But I felt that 'Z for Zachariah' was trying too hard; much as you say about Alan Garner, I felt the more adult writing was trying too hard, and failing to be any good.

Date: 2007-02-09 06:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rysmiel.livejournal.com
Of Horwood, I've only read the first Wolves of Time book, and it didn't stick and shortly went back to second-hand shops to find a better friend.

I have yet to read any animal-POV book that did not feel like human beings in poor disguise compared to Watership Down, though. What Adams does particularly with the scale of things, such that you really do feel how immense and difficult some of the innovative thoughts in it are to rabbits even though they would be trivial to any human, and with the rabbit folk tales all through the text and how that suddenly gets so much more punch in the one about the Black Rabbit, is just perfect.

Date: 2007-02-10 02:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ghoti.livejournal.com
Give 'Stonor Eagles' a go; that one feels like the humans in it are some kind of eagle in disguise, at least to me. Of course, you still might not like it.

Date: 2007-02-09 06:27 pm (UTC)
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"The Wolves of Time" was certainly the one I was thinking of. I think I tend to consider books that are in that crossover between children's ideas and adult expression as teenage fiction, since my memory of reading things that were described as "teenage fiction" as a teenager was that a lot of them fit that bill. The term probably unnecessarily demeans it, though.

Date: 2007-02-09 10:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alison-lees.livejournal.com
I agree with Colin, although I did nearly start defining 'teenage fiction' as Judy Bloom.

Date: 2007-02-10 02:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ghoti.livejournal.com
That would be closer to how I'd think of it, but Colin's way makes more sense, maybe.

Date: 2007-02-10 06:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bookwormsarah.livejournal.com
I was intrigued by this because the only William Horwood book I've read is 'Skallagrigg', which I read as a teenager but would count as a 'grown up' book. I've never read Watership Down (despite owning a copy), though once saw part of the film. Grandparents thought 'a cartoon - lets call Sarah' Sarah, ages six, watches with growing horror before running off to hide.

Date: 2007-02-10 10:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sphyg.livejournal.com
I was just going to recommend Skallagrigg. I wouldn't describe the Duncton books as teenage, though I read them as a teenager. Actually I don't think I made it all the way to the last one. Maybe I should start at the begining again.

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